Glad to see this being asked as I'd noticed it as well...

Your understanding of Visitare=places (Andare a)Trovare=people is what I'd been taught as well. Some searches seem to indicate that while Visitare for people isn't technically incorrect, it just 'sounds bad' and generally isn't used.

Will be curious to see what kind of response this gets...

@susandeedavies Di nulla!

Been seeing several references to upgrades for various languages in these posts. Just wondering if these upgrades will be applied to all languages eventually (I'm asking for the Italian module specifically) and if existing subscribers are eligible to access?

Thanks!

Prego! Isabella's explanation is a lot to digest (in the interest of covering all the angles). If I had to take a stab at an abbreviated response, it basically comes down to this: When a modal verb (in this case "dovere") is used in the past-tense, the auxiliary/helping verb can be EITHER essere or avere. If you use essere: - the pronoun (vi) has to precede the auxiliary (dovuto) and reflexive (trasferire) verbs - the auxiliary verb has to be modified to agree with the subject (dovut e ) as is always the case with essere " vi siete dovut e trasferire" If you use avere: - the pronoun (vi) has to be attached to the reflexive verb (trasferir vi ) - the auxiliary verb doesn't have to be modified to agree with the subject (dovut o ) "avete dovut o trasferir vi " (crazy, I know..)

Oof..... another complicated one! I had to confer with my tutor on this and, as always, she had a great write-up that explains this PERFECTLY and illustrates how both of the sentences in your - QUESTION- are correct. Mille grazie al miglior insegnante di italiano!: La signora Isabella Hostrup.
Reflexive or reciprocal verbs with modal verbs in past tense: ESSERE or AVERE?When in a sentence in passato prossimo, a modal verb is followed by the infinitive form of any reflexive or reciprocal verb, you can use either Essere or Avere, but you have to follow the rules below. The two forms are equally common and used.

1. If you put the reflexive pronoun before the auxiliary verb, you must use the auxiliary ESSERE which is the auxiliary of reflexive verbs.Example: Maria si è dovuta alzare molto presto. Maria had to wake up very early.The past participle must agree with the subject: Maria = singular and feminine, as with any past tense using ESSERE.

2. When instead you attach the reflexive pronoun to the infinitive you must use the auxiliary AVERE and no agreement is necessary with the past participle but in both cases the reflexive pronoun agrees with the subject.Examples: Maria ha dovuto alzarsi molto presto. Maria had to wake up very early.Voi avete dovuto alzarvi molto presto. You all had to wake up very early.The past participle (dovuto) now doesn't agree anymore because you are using AVERE, the reflexive pronoun attached to the infinitive agrees with the subject.
   Examples:I bambini si sono voluti divertire. I bambini hanno voluto divertirsi.The kids wanted to have fun.NOTE: You can use the reflexive pronoun only once, just change its place. That place cannot ever be between modal verb and reflexive verb. This rule applies to all the tenses that use a helping verb.Maria si sarebbe dovuta lavare i capelli. Maria should have washed her hair.Maria avrebbe dovuto lavarsi i capelli.

NOTE: If a direct object pronoun is present, you must do the agreement even with AVERE, if it precedes the modal verb (we will see that later).(Marie e Lisa) Le abbiamo potute vedere. Abbiamo potuto vederle.

If I could add to this request, it would be great if the Flashcards were more consistent in the inclusion of pronouns.
My understanding is that in Italian the use of pronouns is considered optional or not necessary except in instances of clarification where two or more parties are being referenced.

There are a number of Italian flashcards where they just show up in a sentence, and you get the answer wrong if you aren't using the audio.

I'm guessing the dialog was probably derived from the lessons and a big pain to have to go back and fix, but would be great if possible.

Another enhancement idea would be to add the ability to suggest corrections on the actual Flashcards so they're easy for you to pinpoint, and you could monitor which ones receive the most feedback, etc.

Still loving the flashcards- super beneficial - and still hoping I make it through them one day with zero errors....
Thanks-

Hi Susan- The great thing about Avere when used as the auxiliary/helping verb in past tense (Ho,Ha,Hai, Abbiamo, etc) is that you don't have to worry about modifying the verb for gender/number- it always ends in 'O'. There is an exception to this (of course!) when you use a Direct Object Pronoun in the sentence, which you'll get to later.
Examples:
L'ho portat o (I brought him)
L'ho portat a (I brought her)
Le ho portat e (I brought them - feminine)
Li ho portati (i brought them - masc/mixed)

Hope that helps!